Liquid Trust produced by Vero Labs has settled into the number #7 overall pick, within the pheromone for men and women genre.
Liquid Trust itself is not actually a pheromone product per se, it is actually a spray which contains the human hormone known as Oxytocin, however because of it’s effects it is often lumped into the whole pheromone spray genre.
Liquid Trust does not have a real pleasing scent, nor a real bad one, typically it will carry a mild alcohol odor when first applied, however this odor quickly dissipates within a few minutes after application. As far as I can tell, Oxytocin has no real discernible odor.
What is Oxytocin? Oxytocin is a human hormone that scientists have been able to determine plays a role in increasing people’s levels of trust in others, formation of social bonds and friendships, as well as having a role in treating depression, shyness, and other social disorders and phobias. In short, Oxytocin is the hormone that when inhaled induces folks to simply trust you more!
For a “rather” accurate video concerning Liquid Trust, and an explanation of Oxytocin, feel free to watch the brief video below, it’s a little interesting.
The Field Test Results for Liquid Trust
On one testing occasion, as I work in outside business to business sales, I was scheduled to meet with a potential clients purchasing manager. Prior to walking into her office I made a quick stop into the restroom, and applied four sprays of Liquid Trust, two sprays to the side of the neck, and one spray to each wrist.
Immediately after application, I had a slight euphoric feeling come over me, as I had clearly inhaled some of the product, and felt myself possibly responding to the oxytocin contained therein, I can only describe the feeling that came over me as calming, but self-assured, if that makes any sense?
I then walked into this purchasing manager’s office and introduced myself. She was a rather attractive young lady in her late twenties, with a large engagement ring on her finger! I thought, this should be interesting…
After introductions were made, barely two to three minutes into our meeting, I could observe some affect coming over her. Her face got flush, and a little red, and her mood relaxed and lightened dramatically, she simply seemed to ‘open up’ to me more, as if I was a long lost friend from school, rather than a sales representative there on business, she became genuinely happy to have me there!
As time passed we started discussing our personal lives, she much more than I truth be told, in which she felt the need to confess to me that she had already cheated on her fiance and was terrified that he would find out, as she cheated because her hubby to be, just could not satisfy her in the bedroom! I was thinking, to much information lady, but she felt comfortable continuing!
Without the graphic details of course, she continued along this line of discussion for nearly 90 minutes, as if I was someone who was a close confidant, this was the first time I had ever met her! This type of sales call usually lasts twenty minutes tops! After 90 minutes I had to sway our discussion to business, the reason why I was there to begin with, and she truly seemed disappointed to change the subject away from the personal genre. Ironically, we concluded our business within about five to ten minutes, she agreed to terms of my company’s contract, and said she would ok it and send it for a signature, then quickly returned to our personal discussion…She did not even read the contract! I was trying to suppress hysterical laughter at this point. This was not a hard sale.
In conclusion, I have found having tested Liquid Trust on ten separate occasions over three months, that this is a truly powerful oxytocin based pheromone-like spray. I am not a scientist. I do not know how or why it does what it does? However, I’m fully capable of testing and documenting my observations, and the results of my testing of this product were quite convincing to say the least.
Some special observations need to be mentioned regarding Liquid Trust at this point. Liquid Trust does have a rather short duration compared to other more traditional pheromone products. It took me awhile to truly narrow down what the effective duration actually was, but now I can say fairly confidently that Liquid Trust will only be effective for about 1-3 hours after initial application. I strongly suspect the short duration is simply do to the more rapid rate at which Oxytocin breaks down after being exposed to air.
Liquid Trust also must be kept refrigerated in between uses, or it’s effectiveness will seem to become less potent fairly rapidly, again this is because of the rather unstable or volatile nature of Oxytocin itself. Liquid Trust is clearly best used for more important occasions, such as before a job interview, important sales call, or a meeting with your boss to regarding a raise for instance, I would not recommend trying to use Liquid Trust daily, you would go through a lot of bottles very quickly!
However, it must be mentioned, that the top three pheromone products, The Scent of Eros for Men, Alpha-7 Scented, and Liquid Trust, when worn together (combining the effects of all three) consistently produced brutally effective results! In part, the power of this combination, weighed heavily into deciding which products would make my Top 3 ranking! The effects of this combo truly have to be experienced, as words can’t really do it justice, generating friendliness, chattiness, relaxation, higher perceived value, strong sexual attraction, and folks actually just really trust you a lot more…You do the math!
Human Pheromone Effectiveness Ranking: #7
Effectiveness Ratio: 9 out of 10 men and women were observed to clearly respond
Recommended Use : Social lubricator / Ice Breaker / Trust Builder / Social Bonding
Most Effective Upon: All Men & Women /All Ages
Special Notes/Observations: Short duration 1-2 hours / Must be kept Refrigerated in between uses!
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i have a problem regarding a girl friend.mostly i do ask ladies to have friend they instenlly reject me . there i am very interest with the liquid trust spray and would like you to helpme.
kind regards
I’m not really sure how I can help you ipi besa?
All the information is contained right here in the actual review, did you read it?
Hi Kyle !
I bought LT several months ago , not really used it much and its been sitting in the frigge all this time.
not sure if the effects would still be there after several months in the cold.
Any thoughts?
Frank
Hi Frank,
“Several months?” Cold storage does extend the life span of Liquid Trust to a degree, but not sure how long you are talking about?
The best way to find out if it’s still potent is to just take it out and use it, and see what happens…I usually don’t keep my stuff around for that long though, I use it too frequently…So you will be a good test case!
I’ve kept Liquid Trust in the fridge for about 6 months and then used it and it did do its thing. It was fine.
Thanks for that feed back Steve, that’s excellent news to hear, I really was not totally sure the stuff would hold it’s potency that long so good to know for sure it does!
Hi Gang!
Yes Kyle , since around last August its been in the frigged, i cheked the alcohol aroma , still there but lest potent.
Im in home sales , insurance , mostly to the hispanic market.
I used A314 before combined with some other AD nones, yes they do work.
also i followed your advice on keeping it on ice so i went to sales appoiments last summer so i would keep LT in a plastic cup with ice cubes lol cold and cozy ilmaooooooo
sort of ~extreme advice“ lol
You have a great site full of REAL nones info ,,,,kudos
Be well
Frank
hey kyle
i was just wondering if you could put liquid trust in a cooler, would it still loose its potency? or is keeping it in the fridge still a better idea?
thanks in advance.
Hi Tristan,
Yes, this tactic has been discussed before, I use it myself, keeping it in the fridge in between uses does seem to extend it’s overall shelf life quite a bit…It’s not a perfect fix, but it does seem to work ALOT better than not refrigerating it at all.
Hey Kyle,
I’m a car salesman and wanted to know what good pheromones to use. Would LQ be appropriate? I also have SOE and Alpha 7.
Thanks,
Hi Cam,
Liquid Trust is good, but only so long as you keep in mind the rather short effective duration, which is generally speaking usually around the 1 hour mark or so…About the only why I would see being able to effectively use LT in your line of work is if you applied it right before contract negotiations, or immediately before greeting a prospective buyer, your timing would have to be good though…However, at all times I would definitely go heavy on the SOE, a good social pheromone never hurts, frankly in any situation.
Hi Kyle
Is there any thing I can add to Liquid trust so that it will last longer?
No, not that I know off. You would simply have to wash off an re-apply to extended your effective time unfortunately.
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Hi there, I’m new to pheromones and am yet to buy anyway, but I had a couple of general questions and decided that leaving a comment in your latest post would get me a reply faster, I hope you don’t mind. :)
I’m interested in buying Liquid Trust (although I already know that’s not a pheromone, strictly speaking) and maybe something like Primal Instinct or Alter Ego (I am a young Asian female).
But like I said, since I am new to this, I wanted to ask about a few things. Are pheromones like those sold in bottles taken from ‘donors’ or are they sort of synthetic? I already know that the oxytocin in LT isn’t taken from other people – I wouldn’t want to feel like I am disguising myself in someone else’s pheromones, especially because I’m already manipulating my natural ‘projection’ with the use of pheromones, if that makes sense?
Also, if you know of a particular age group or race that pheromones generally don’t tend to work on – I’m sure you have heard something like that during your experimenting. For the wearer, I meant. I’m assuming they will affect others pretty similarly.
Hm, I think that’s it for now, if I think of more I will shoot em at you at a later date!
Thanks in advance for your time, I appreciate it! :)
- J
Hi J.
You say you are a young Asian female? What exactly are you looking to do? Attract men? Attract women? Be seen as more truthful?
Or just curious in general? Help me out here J???
Thx Kyle
So… maybe we shouldn’t buy the larger bottles of LT since it may deteriorate after first time using it? They have an enhanced version of LT and it cost bout the same as Max attraction gold. Do you have a chance trying it out yet?
No problem SAR,
You’re perfectly fine with any size bottle of Liquid Trust you can get your hands on, as I said, just throw it in the frig in between uses and you will be fine, which is exactly what I do myself.
As for Enhanced Liquid Trust…Let’s just say the cost of certain pheromones are not always good indicators as to how well they might actually perform. Take Pherazone for instance, nearly a $100 bucks, and it’s well known to be garbage which does virtually nothing!
Then Max Attraction which is pricer but actually packs one heck of a powerful punch!
I actually wrote up a comparison on Liquid Trust vs. Enhanced Liquid Trust awhile ago, you can peruse it here;
Liquid Trust Enhanced vs. Liquid Trust: A Comparative Review
Needless to say, I no longer use Enhanced Liquid Trust, which is why you don’t see it in my ranking of quality ‘performing’ pheromone colognes.
Hope this helps!
Sup Kyle
Beside LQ have u try any other pheromones containing Oxytocin? Such as New Pheromax for Men with Oxytocin. Also , what do u mean by “Must be kept Refrigerated in between uses” for LQ﹖we need to bring along a pack of ice to keep it refrigerated? I’m confused LoL
Hi SAR,
I was afraid someone would ask me that question lol…Anyhow, yes, I’m currently dabbling with 5 other pheromone colognes at this moment, including Pheromax with Oxytocin and the new Edge Trust. However, I will venture I’m a few weeks off from compiling and publishing reviews on them at this point.
I will say this though, thus far neither one has convinced me that they are superior to Liquid Trust. But that’s about all I can really say until I’ve given each one a fair and thorough run.
As to your question regarding the refrigeration of Liquid Trust, no need to carry around a pack of ice lol…After you use it for the first time, simply pop it into the frig when you get home for storage until your next usage and you should be fine. However, if you use the stuff on Monday, and then leave it on your kitchen table, or worse your car, until you use it again on Friday then you will notice lessor and lessor potent results…This is the type of behavior I was really trying to caution against.
Hope that helps!
although liquid trust is ranked 3, why isn’t it on the top 5 pheromones list?
Good question Horace He,
simply put because Liquid Trust is best used as supplemental pheromone like cologne, and not as a primary. Also Liquid Trust, unlike the others in the top 5 has a very short effective duration, only being truly effective on average for 60-90 minutes from the time of application. Although very effective within this time frame, the short duration and the lack of “sexual attraction” capability is why it’s not on the overall top 5 list.
Liquid Trust is best used only to increase others trust in the wearer, and is most effective when used alongside another more versatile pheromone cologne, to include enhanced elements of social and sexual attraction.
Man, there’s so much information on this site, it’s unbelievable. How much time do you spend writing full and lengthy responses to everybody who write on here?
Thanks for dropping by Steelfirez,
to answer your question I don’t really know, haven’t thought about it, but probably a good deal of time every month. Trust me, when you are writing about a hobby that you enjoy it’s not really work or anything, it’s actually fun!
Ok. I meant show some interest by a compliment.
I rarely give multiple compliments unless I feel totally in a playing mood where my vibe allows me to break rules because they could sense that I’m in control.
I haven’t given this young one a compliment yet.
Would you advise giving one as a way to ease off
the intimidation factor for her?
Hmmm come to think think of it, I could
keep being friendly and simply wait?
What do you think?
I think you’ll get the hang of it sooner rather than later lol…Also, a very good strategy is to not place too much emphasis on any one target, initially at least, never put all your eggs in one basket, it’s bad psychologically and leads to desperation because you believe this one person is your only chance to get things right…Diversify to eliminate the mentality of scarcity.
Hi Kyle,
Thanks for the response. You know, I actually was thinking “is this girl afraid of me or wants me to bug off? etc” Then I talked to her and switched the subject to something that I know she liked and bingo … all of a sudden she’s less intimidated and even says “see you soon”. (no pheros)
I was holding back because she’s quite a bit younger than me and very good looking … made her even more intimidated – that’s not what I was trying to do! Yet my mind was “seeing” she’s not interested .. drove me a little bananas.
I realized that a lot of the women that I dated etc were always my age. So I thought, these younger attractive women would need me to be more laid back, not show as much signs that I was interested etc …
I need to show more interest with them? more compliments?
23 to 28 huh … I’m getting over my resistance to this age … in the past, I would stay away thinking “I can’t possibly have a relationship with someone that young?”
Yet, my experience with women my age has been a little boring for me and/or no real connection ….
No problem Genius,
Yes, those younger women can be a tad intimidated, it’s just the way it goes initially in any western society.
Just keep in mind, YOU are the older, more experienced, more stable and secure one! YOU in many very real ways ARE the CATCH! At least compared to many younger ladies out there. So you have no reason not to be self confident, as a matter of fact, displaying self confidence, while also displaying your maturity as well as interest is usually what wins them over rather quickly actually! Why? Because most younger men have a very hard time displaying these qualities to these same women! That’s the real difference! Unfortunately, most men are our age, before we learn these lessons.
So yes, be laid back, polite, happy and friendly, but above all self assured, you’re the catch! And no, don’t sit there and shower them with compliments, let the young guys do that and fail, it’s a bad strategy, interview her to see if she is worthwhile to date you? What does she have going for her? Experience? Education? Career? Just looks? Young guys will error and shower pretty girls with compliments, but I want to know what “she” has to bring to the table, other than a pretty smile?
Now if she is an attractive and successful surgeon you could be out of luck! But barring something odd like that happening you overall may rate much higher of the intrinsic “value” scale lol…Trust me, during your interview this will become clear, to you and her!
Anyhow, when I was 23-28 years of age my game was, rather pathetic to be honest, why? Because I had not bothered to learn about human behavior, what works and what does not, I only got interested in observing these things as I was utilizing pheromones in general. Go figure, just my luck, my twenties was a nightmare for dating, and then during my late thirties I’ve been like a kid in a candy store, literally!
But it’s good you are starting to tweak your behavior a little bit, with and without pheromones. Once you understand what behaviors, verbal and body language tend to provoke a wanted or desired response, you will then be able to amplify this effectiveness with pheromones for even more bang for your buck!
When you get to this point you may get to where I am today, viewing the whole dating game as pretty boring and pathetically easy! Seriously! The most recent prospect was 22 years old, after her trying get my attention for a few months now she finally gave up on me, I just couldn’t bring myself to close the deal, it was just to boring and I already knew I could close the deal weeks ago! This was a cute Asian girl, local college student here…You too will eventually find yourself in a position where you seriously ask yourself, and her, “so what do you bring to the table?”
Oh, and that’s why I’m more focused on a few new prospects in their early thirties at the moment, time to consider something serious, I’m bored with the idea of playing forever…But mark my words, I have made up for the dry spell that was my twenties 10 fold! lol
You are on the right path, you seem to be figuring out the un-written rules of the game pretty quickly, I can assure that it’s a worthwhile endeavor!
Hi Kyle,
Are younger women typically intimidated by older men?
I mean without pheros.
And then when adding a sexual attractant, even more intimidated?
I’m around your age, pretty good looking and I’m starting to realize that
maybe women (usually younger) are more intimidated by me than I thought!
Yet I’m harmless and easy going.
What’s been your experience?
Welcome back Genius,
You remind me of me a few years back lol…Yes, you are correct I think, generally “without” pheromones younger women do seem to be a tad more intimidated by older man than younger men…But I’ve found it’s not really in a bad way usually, one just needs to actually “break the ice,” and that intimidation quickly often turns to respect and attraction very quickly, not sure why?
As you said, we are about the same age, in the past 3 years the oldest women I have dated was 28 years old, the youngest 23 years old, and all were way above average in the looks department! But as I think back, all appeared to be “intimidated” upon our first meeting! I just tweaked my behavior, and of course used one of my favorites, the Scent of Eros, to help overcome the intimidation factor which I was able to do very quickly, and then I was good to go! As a matter of fact, I quickly switched to using only Alpha 7 or Max Attraction around these same women after the ice was broken so to speak, with NO further intimidation factor! But yes, it seems to be an initial hurdle that needs to be over come.
Oh yes, when you add a sexual attractant you will create more intimidation usually, unless you buffer it with a strong ice breaker as I usually recommend, even then you will still create some amount of intimidation. But as I said, just being relaxed, friendly, and inviting in ones behavior + the curiousity of the sex attractant is usually enough to make breaking the ice a rather simple matter, so long as you are being somewhat proactive.
Anyhow, if you have been worrying about this don’t! That’s just normal life in a western country my friend, it can be over come pretty easily, and can actually be used to your advantage once you accept this fact and learn how to use it in your favor!
Hey Kyle,
It’s me again. I hope you don’t mind me cluttering up your blog with stories about my life, but I do have a rather interesting update.
So I walked by her again today and was ready to employ the tactic you mentioned in your previous post, but didn’t even get the chance to do so since as soon as our eyes met, she smiled and gave me a very inviting wave. At that point, I struck up a nice short 2-3 minute conversation and then excused myself and walked away. Before I left work, I did the same thing – kept it short, simple and rather neutral but friendly.
Question is, have you ever witnessed behavior like this (i.e. pulling a complete 180)? I don’t think she’s playing games as she’s quite a few years older than me (38 to my almost 31) and women that age don’t typically pull those kind of moves.
Anyway, to get back on the pheromone topic, do you feel that there is a bit of a window for using this stuff? What I mean is, say for instance I started using SOE + A7 while chatting her up a on a pretty regular basis, is there a point where the effects of using a pheromone become diminished? In other words, am I dealing with a rather small window here or is it the case of once she gets it in her head that I’m “THE man” that I don’t have to worry about it as her perception has been already been changed? Hope that made sense. lol
Hi Jamie,
Nice to hear you are making some natural progress. Keep in mind that by employing pheromones you will enhance and lubricate the interaction you already have going, so it looks like you’re heading in the right direction regardless.
As for your question about this lady possibly playing games with you, don’t think of it as her playing games, often this type of behavior and response is un-conscience almost as if hard wired, she it most likely not even aware that her behavior could be construed as game playing, but as you’ve seen, by tweaking your behavior you have influenced her quickly to view you in a different manner, most of this stuff happens below the surface, and is not usually thought out or rationalized, it just “is.”
As for the your question regarding how long you can use pheromones before you see a diminishing return? I touched upon that question a few times, it’s very subjective, but typically I only use pheromones around a ‘specific’ target for 2 to a maximum of 3 months. After that amount of time even when I would stop using pheromones around a specific person it seemed not to matter, as she had already formed her perceptions of me. So, no, you don’t have a small window of opportunity, the clock really starts to tick after you become intimate and then get to know each other on a much deeper level, at this point pheromones will start to give you a diminishing return…But you are not at this stage yet.
Thanks for the advice Kyle,
I think my problem with women (and people in general) is that when I become comfortable with someone and trust them enough, that I open right up and that can be perceived as over-pursuit when in actuality, I’m just being my “chatty” self. But I know that I probably shouldn’t sugar coat things, as I’ve Obviously done wrong here. Haha!
As an aside, I put some of your principles to work today when I walked by her department. I pass by her quite often when I walk to the break room in which case I would usually stop and chat for a bit if she’s not busy. Well today, I nonchalantly walked right by – didn’t look in her direction or avert my eyes from the forward position. I have pretty good peripheral vision and it appeared that she looked in my direction as I passed by. Complete 180 from before, so I’m sure it crossed signals for her a little bit.
I’ll be further testing out your principles in the next week or so, but I’ll have to get some time in with her at the same time so that she doesn’t think I’m a prick or anything like that. lol
Next stop is just setting aside some cash for SOE + Alpha 7 (as you rated this one a little higher) and seeing where it goes from there. I’m guess that in this particular situation, you don’t feel Liquid Trust is that much of a necessity?
And another quick question, say for instance I do want to try the SOE + A7 combination on her – what kind of target time am I looking at to hit her with all the effects of the pheromone? Is it something that will take effect as soon as I get within a 5 foot radius or does it take a little time for the effects to set in? Basically the reason I ask this is that you mentioned keeping the conversation on the brief side but I remember reading on here somewhere that the effects become more pronounced over time. Would this mean that I essentially have a small window to hit her with the effects of this stuff?
Again, thanks for taking the time to answer all these questions as it’s very helpful.
J
Hi Jamie,
Yes, you are correct in your reading of my last reply, I don’t really think Liquid Trust would be the most appropriate pheromone spray to be used in this type of situation. One certainly could employ Liquid Trust with great effect, but I seem to think you would get higher mileage employing other pheromone colognes. Simply put, the trust issue doesn’t seem to be your real problem with her, she already trusted you enough to divulge personal information to you, your problems are a little deeper than simply ‘trust.’
Oh, and Jamie, stop walking by this girl while ignoring her! Once was enough, don’t do a repeat, that is not Alpha behavior..You could come across as being youthful and immature, and therefore pouting because of the “maybe” you received from her! What is Alpha behavior? Similar situation as you described, except next time make eye contact, “always make and hold eye contact,” acknowledge her presence, smile in her direction perhaps even giving her a nod while smiling, and THEN keep on walking by! That’s self confidence, self assured, alpha behavior, because YOUR the MAN! lol…Behave as if nothing she could do or say would be really capable of truly upsetting you, as she is just not that special to you yet! Starting to understand the mentality now I hope??
As for the time necessary to be around your target? It’s rather subjective, but typically most pheromones will be detected by your target almost immediately, however, the effects do steadily and rather rapidly build over time, so if you can stop and have say a 5 minute conversation that is usually more than sufficient for most pheromones to heavily impact your target, and when you get into the 10-15 minute range is when you usually will hit the most potent end of the exposure spectrum…Anything after the 10-15 minute period is ALL GRAVY! Which is why I love using pheromone colognes on dates and what not, after a typical dinner, it’s usually GAME ON!
Anyhow, this is why I suggested a series of brief encounters while wearing a social icebreaker and sexual attractant. Very quickly your target will be induced to feel friendly and chatty, as well as perceiving you with more respect, stature, and sexual attraction..As she is wondering why she is feeling this way about you, as you are talking with her being the polite and the concerned self confident man you are, you will then excuse yourself and walk away! Your target will be left sitting there feeling a range of emotions about this nice guy who is taking a genuine interest in her, but is clearly not some push over, nor even a guy she may see as being easily gotten, thus creating a quick road to attraction on multiple levels…At least this would be my plan.
Hope this helps!
Hi again Kyle,
Quick question…or should I say quick question, long story. Recently I was pursuing a lady that works in the same building as me (different employer). I felt that she was giving me quite a few signs – especially the green light of sharing personal information with me, so I decided to ask her out. Long story short, I asked her for a drink and got the dreaded “maybe” answer and kind of forced my phone number upon her. I also think that perhaps I over pursued her a bit and freaked her out. Now she is acting a little strange around me (not as friendly or forthcoming). I understand that there is probably little hope of a relationship with her at this point, but I do like/respect her enough that I still want to be friends without the uncomfortableness she seems to be showing.
Question is, would you recommend something like Liquid Trust for helping me in this situation? To be honest, I’m probably going to apologize to her for coming on so strong and it would be nice to illicit a feeling of trust on her.
Also, preconceived notions aside, could other pheromones aid me in winning her over if I chose to do so or is this a case of “what’s done is done”? For the sake of detail, her opinion of me has only changed over the last few weeks. So it’s not as if it’s a long standing thing.
Thanks again!
Welcome back Jamie,
Sorry to read about your rather unfortunate situation, but I suppose we have all been there.
Needless to say, one usually should not initially over pursue a women, she clearly knows you are interested in her, and probably want her, therefore she also knows she could easily have you if she wished….So? Where’s the challenge? See where I’m going with this? Guy’s are the same way quite frankly, if we have success to easily with a girl we tend to “then” think she’s easy, and thus lose interest, or assume we can obviously do better and move on! Why? No challenge, no challenge, no or lessor perceived value.
What I would do, if I wished to make some effort to recover from your situation, and this is me only, I would remember that I’m “ME!” And that I could really care less if she wanted to go out or not! Why? Because I was being nice, I did her a favor by asking HER out! LoL…Yes, I’m being sarcastic, but only to make a point, this is called the Alpha male mentality, and quite sadly many women seem to respond to it, so long as it’s not done with arrogance or meanness!
So I would do my thing, I would use whatever excuse I/you have to go and speak with her briefly during the work day, ask her about her day, night, whatever hobby or personal things she decided to share with you, showing genuine concern of course, but very little romantic interest or desire to ‘ask her out’ again…Make her feel comfortable that you will not be pursuing her (your above that!), and besides, who cares if ‘she’ said ‘maybe’ or ‘no’ or whatever else, not I! Heck, if she eventually brings up the ‘asking’ out in a negative manner I’d probably even tell her that, “don’t really care…it’s all good either way!” But, make sure you keep your encounters brief, personable, but a tad restrained, as if you are busy man with only so much time to chat, and at the appropriate moment simply excuse yourself and walk away, preferably when she starts talking about something important or personal again….Why? Men who pursue aggressively are a dime dozen to most women, the men that straight turns his back and walks away is now different, creates confusion, a challenge! Then rinse and repeat a few days later.
Of course, I would be doing this method while wearing a strong “social lubricator,” I obviously prefer the Scent of Eros, as well as a sexual attractant to really get her attention, like Alpha 7, Max Attraction, or if I was a young guy Pheromax…A brief chat as depicted above with a sexual attractant, while the man is showing no outward signs of attraction or romantic interest is often a powerful equalizer in and off itself…This tactic I’ve actually mastered with rather brutal efficiency lol.
But anyhow, no, I wouldn’t give up at this point on your lady friend, but I would completely change your approach, and stop pursuing! Remember, Alpha mentality, you are “YOU,” YOU don’t pursue anyone! At least not in a blatantly obvious manner (:
Hi Kyle,
Great site. Even a newbie can truly inform themselves about -mones to a pretty good understanding if they just invest the time to study all the info you’ve thoroughlly compiled here. Hopefully that is what I have done and won’t embarass myself with questions!
I have a somewhat unique and different scenario than most other posters here, hopefully you could help shed some light. I apologize in advance for the lengthiness, detail, and my habit of writing way more formal than I am in person!
Now that all the ass-kissing is aside, let’s get to this! Things hadn’t been going that great lately with my girl of 15 years, so we’ve been “taking some time apart” now and things were NOT left on a good note (basically her idea, I wanted to kinda smooth some things over before we took some time). Talked to her for first time recently (on phone) and she just wouldn’t listen to/trust what I was saying. I didn’t do anything specific to prompt this (cheating,lying,etc.), think she just lost some faith in us. I love her & definately want to give it another shot, especially since we have 15 years invested. I feel like if she could just open up her mind and actually listen to the words coming out of my mouth she would understand some things I’m trying to get across. (We’ve all been there before!)
I am not looking for miracles here, I know that this is on me. I do feel that if certain aspects were “enhanced” or if she saw me in just a little bit of a different light than lately, it might help persuade her opinion enough to at least give us another shot. All the while knowing I still have to bring my A game and keep things light and fun! Was just wondering if you think any -mones would have any effect when we meet up in person or not since we’ve known each other half our lives, or if the 1-2 month break could provide the perfect opportunity for a 2nd 1st impression!?
If so, I was thinking about a LT (trust / openness) , A7 (alfa status / respect) , & a little MaxA or Maschio (sexual attractant) combo. Wasn’t really sure if I would benefit from a “social lubricant” in this situation, especially since I don’t normally need much help in that dept. (I know you prefer SoE, but I was actually thinkin Beaches bcuz she would like the smell / a little stronger sexual attractant). I might benefit though considering she’s not really that open to wanting to talk about things and it might help to start get things more loose or open. Was also wondering if I should go with the -none based from the beginning or maybe put it on after a bit as to not “intimidate” her, as this could already be a problem in my situation.
I don’t want to throw money away buying 3 or 4 -mones, but if they will each do a specific job to help this situation out better than others, it would not be wasted. It might be overkill:) and I could I probably get away with a simple LT & Maschio but I’m kinda goin for broke here and if your honest opinion would be that 4 specific ones would work better than 2, that’s what I would rather hear. Then I have them on hand anyway for the future! I guess the problem is some are specific purpose and some try to be a combo and I’m looking for just the right mix. I know it’s not a science and everyone is unique, but I thought your experience and insight could give me the best chance of getting the combo right as opposed to me just taking an educated guess. I don’t really have the luxury to try out different combos on random chicks. I might have some time to experiment but don’t know when we’ll be meeting up. It’s gotta be subtle but strong enough to influence someone I’ve already fu*k*d about 10,000 times!! ;)
STATS –
Me: 31, caucasion, attractive, athletic, fit, got some game, outgoing, more of an alpha but can be quiet at times, not desparate for a girl just a little bit for this one
Her: 30, caucasion, 1/2 point more attractive than me:), can be outgoing or very introverted (a true Gemini split personality!)
Main Questions:
1) Could any -mone work on people who are high-school sweethearts?
2) Could an -nol based -mone be helpful since she’s really closed off right now?
3) Your ideas / best combo?
Ok, there you have it. Way too much info. Sorry! I know you might not be able to answer all the specific ?’s but that’s ok. I think I know what to expect (not miracles) from all these products. I know this probably doesn’t target a very high % of people coming to this site but I definately appreciate any input and maybe it will help someone else out who is in a similar situation. Thanx for your patience and helpin a brother out!
Hi GrassHopper, and thanks for leaving such a detailed and well thought through comment!
After reading about your current situation I had two distinctive gut reactions in regards to pheromones in general, and my own personal experiences with them…
What immediately came to my mind is that I’m dealing with a guy who clearly has a LONG history with a specific girl who probably knows him VERY well, and therefore already has some very rigid preconceived notions about him…? True? And my initial response to this was to remind myself from my own experiences that, often pheromones in general produce the quickest and most blatant results from either complete strangers or other folks who I would term as being acquaintances, in other words those with the least intense preconceived notions about the wearer, as this clean slate allows the wearer to quickly create or influence how they will be viewed by others very quickly, to his advantage of course! Unfortunately, you are not in this situation with your Ex at all, she probably knows you very well, and for whatever reason has a particular point of view about you based upon her own unique experience with you. This would possibly be one strike against you while considering the pheromone solution in your case…
The second gut reaction was this, I’ve personally been in a situation in which I’ve been apart from a girl, but whenever I would find an excuse to meet up with her, often after not seeing or speaking for months at a time, when I was wearing certain pheromones it would out of the blue lead to passionate sex and her inquiring about getting back together and giving it another go! BUT, this girl was also exposed to my potent pheromone signature from the day of our very first date, so it was normal for her, she detected no real change in my pheromone signature when we met up out of the blue, therefore my situation and yours are not an exact match, nor did I have the kind of history that you do with your Ex….Still food for thought.
From what I know and have observed, influencing a change of ones perception of you (one who has known you pretty much forever), is a much slower process in pretty much ALL cases that I have seen or even heard about! It takes changes in behavior as well as multiple pheromonal exposures to slowly nudge a girl this familiar with you to view you in a completely new light…Unfortunately!
So, I guess my thinking on your specific situation is this; yes, you could probably use pheromones to slowly influence your Ex to view you in a more positive or more trustworthy light, if you were able to subject her to repeated exposures, during which time you were going out of your way to act the part of said pheromones, yes, then slowly she would “adjust” her perception of you…How dramatically her perception of you would change is up for debate, because she knows you SO well, and she has a reasoned experienced based mind set about you for some specific reason!
Anyhow GrassHopper, I think any option for you involving pheromones is only addressing the icing on the cake so to speak. Yes, pheromones will enhance certain aspects of what you are already working with, however, your Ex seems to have some problem with what your working with, if that makes sense, rightly or wrongly? In your case, you’ll need to find a way to address the root issue between you and her, without coming across as needy or anything, because most women don’t respond well to guys who seem to be easy to get, or to get back to in general…Ironically, most Ex’s seem to want to get back with guys who appear happy and ready to pursue some new love interest….More food for thought perhaps?
There are simply a lot of variables with your specific situation, and frankly I usually am able to give advice taken from my own past experiences for the most part which makes it easy, but not in your case! Typically, when I move on, I throw a party and move on hard! That’s just me, not right, not wrong, just me!
So if you wish to give pheromones a go, to at least start enhancing your Ex’s perception of you, then the best I can really say is, why not? You certainly won’t do any harm at least, and you do have the chance for a very positive outcome too…But I’m sadly in unchartered waters here I’m afraid.
If it were me however, and I was in love with a long time friend as you seem to be, with your history, I think I would personally go au natural and forget the pheromones….But to each there own! If you really want to give pheromones a try in your case, I would recommend the Beaches by Michael Vie (a good social lubricator that will help get her actually speaking to you – and she likes the smell as you say) + Alpha 7 (as your sexual attractant – to show her that even in her absence you have gained more stature, respect, importance, as an individual – while you are hopefully rekindling her sexual attraction towards you)…But keep in mind, in your case, with your history, this would just be the icing on the cake, your results may vary!
Although, no matter what you decided to do, what approach you decide to take, I wish you the best of luck! And you have my apology for not being able to be more helpful in your case, but I tend to write a relate events which influenced my own real life, and I just have never been in your exact situation to give you a more informed opinion…
Kyle you da man! lol
I appreciate the full lenghty answers. This really answered the questions I had.
The story about the gorgeous model is priceless!!
You gotta write a book or something.
Well I’m going to try out the SOE + Max Attraction combo.
Kyle,
After some of these pheromones kick in for a particular girl, is it necessary to continue using them? In your experience, did you notice that you had to continue using date after date with a particular girl? Or, you get first impressio, maybe a date or two and then you stop because she’s now into you?
Lovely question EveryDayGenius!
I’m probably going to piss some folks off here, I’m sure I will as a matter of fact! But in my experience, after your lady has formed a particular opinion of you, or rather your projected pheromone signature, “no” you do not necessarily need to keep wearing pheromones around her!
Real life example here…A few years back I scored a first date with a rather gorgeous former model, met her ironically through dating site lol, but don’t knock it they work and are a great fishing hole once you understand who to use them, for dating, serial dating coupled with pheromones!
I busted out my Scent of Eros + Alpha 7 + Liquid Trust combo for my first dinner date and needless to say it went well, embarrassingly well! Let me be clear, if you looked at me, and then looked at this gal 11 years my junior, based on appearances you would have quickly assumed that she was way out of my league, based upon looks she was, and still is, but that didn’t stop her from violating me in my car as I tried to drop her off at her house after our dinner date! 4 hours later she finally left my car!
After a date like that, I now no longer needed to wear the Scent of Eros nor Liquid Trust, because simply she already trusted me and was friendly, calm, and chatty around me, in other words the ICE was COMPLETELY BROKEN!
So, on the dates that followed I opted only to wear Alpha 7 Scented for its higher stature, respect, and sexual attraction element, the qualities you would think would go far with a lady such as this, and I was correct! Every date that followed with her after the first, was strictly an Alpha 7 night lol…This went on for about 2 months…After that I just got lazy and stopped wearing any pheromones around her, and guess what? Her perception of me was already formed and well developed, it was almost as if she didn’t notice the lack of pheromones at that point, because she was already conditioned to behave and perceive me in a certain way….
So, let this be a general guide for you, at a certain point you will not really need to wear pheros around your women at all, basically you will know when the time is right, it’s pretty much when she feels she knows you, trusts you, and is clearly attracted to you as well and expresses her attraction freely, at this point continuing to use pheros around her is pretty much pointless in most cases, unless you just like experimenting of course?
As for discontinuing pheros after a date or two? I would perhaps scale down after a date or two as I did in the above example, but I would still keep the ‘sexual attractant’ around for at least a month “or” two, anyhow that’s just me but it’s worked well of a few occasions for me now.
Hope this helps!
Scent of Eros vs Liquid Trust? Curious to know your opinion on this.
I currently have Scent of Eros. Noticed its effectiveness in getting people chatty and friendlier with a tad bit of “luring them in”. Would it be worth mixing with Liquid Trust? It seems they are almost in the same category of “friendly, trust etc”.
I met this very cute girl at a retail outlet – she works there.
I haven’t tried putting on any sexual stuff yet (Pheromax or Max Attraction).
Would this be a good setting for Liquid Trust .. or simply go for it with SOE and Max Attraction!?
Good question Genius!
As you know the Scent of Eros is a powerful standalone social ice breaker and lubricator, which happens to smell pretty darn good too! But I’ve found that you really can’t effectively compare it to Liquid Trust. While yes, the Scent of Eros is useful in getting people friendly, chatty, relaxed and comfortable with the wearer, Liquid Trust on the other hand almost exclusively works to increase peoples ability to “bond” with the wearer and thus trust the wearer, leading to the other to tend to take what the wearer says at face value, is if he/she was speaking to an old trusted friend, as opposed to a stranger.
Despite various marketing claims out there, I have observed virtually no, or very little, attraction element or vibe projected by Liquid Trust on it’s own! However, that being said, if the wearer has some game and knows how to flirt, then one can still get some high mileage out of Liquid Trust alone, only because his target feels so darn comfortable and trusting of the wearer. But the vibe in and of itself is not what I would call sexual.
So, if you had to classify Liquid Trust, then yes it would be lumped in with other “social lubricators,” like the Scent of Eros or Beaches by Michael Vie or Certo for Men, but it’s effects are more limited and specifically focused on producing the singular perception of a ‘trustworthy old friend’ so to speak.
As for your question about the combo? When I first started playing with pheromones back in early 2008, in a big way, I published what I then thought was one of the ultimate all around pheromone combos, by utilizing the Scent of Eros + Alpha 7 + Liquid Trust. To this day my opinion has not substantively changed much, this is a powerful combo that gives the wearer the friendly, chatty, and calming vibe SOE + the enhanced stature, respect, and sexual attraction of the ‘sexual attractant’ Alpha 7 + the I’ll believe anything you say type vibe enhanced by Liquid Trust…It’s hard to beat the results of this combo to this day, the only thing I might add is that one can substitute Max Attraction for Alpha 7 if they wish, for those looking for a more purely sexually charged/based type of relationship of course.
Typically though, in your specific case, you will ‘usually’ want to wear the best “social lubricator” + one of the best “sexual attractants” to create an effective two part combo…So when you visit the retail outlet to approach this lady you have an eye on, it would be totally reasonable to wear the Scent of Eros + Alpha 7 or Max Attraction for instance, as you want the friendly, chatty, calming effects of one as well as the sexual attraction vibe of the other! Now if, and only if you are looking to make some sort of awesome first impression which projects you as a supremely honest and wholesome kind of guy, would you throw in Liquid Trust! In your specific case, in my humble opinion, it is not really necessary for this type of encounter, you will probably get better results by going with a sound sexual attractant to wear alongside your SOE.
If you are interested in a job interview, business negotiation, or first date with a gal who does not trust you for some reason, or a 10th date with a gal who now has good reason not to trust you anymore lol, these are the type of situations in which I’m employ Liquid Trust, but not for a planned chance encounter in a retail store, it’s just not needed yet in my opinion.
Hope this helps!
This was a spot on review. I bought a bottle, sprayed some on, and walked into a class room filled with women. I sat in the back. A lot of girls kept finding a way to talk me. I’m not the most handsome guy, and I’m not the ugliest either. I asked one of the girls sitting to my right, why she kept sort of looking at me. She said she didn’t really know but that there was something different about me. Something pleasant. I have been burned by a lot of company’s selling pheromones. Most didn’t get any reaction. This product did but — and here is the silver lining — the effect is not long lasting. About an hour to hour and a half. But it does work. It’s funny in a way, because the girls are interested in you, but they don’t know why. If you have half a brain, you just smile, tell them that THEY seem like an interesting person, shut up, listen to them, and more than half the battle of meeting someone cute is won.
Thanks for the comment Jim,
Of course I agree with your report 100%, very similar to my own experience with Liquid Trust…Other than the painfully short effective duration of the stuff, it does have it’s uses though!
I’m telling ya, if you have short encounter planned, like a job interview, important sales call or negotiation, or heck even a 1st date in a nice cozy corner of a restaurant Liquid Trust can be added to few other combos out there to give you a lot of bang for your buck…I think some folks try to keep it active all day long over hours and are then naturally disappointed with the very rapidly declining duration of the stuff…As I’ve said, Liquid Trust is best used when you need or want to make when heck of first impression, get in, impress, then get out lol.
Thanks for your insights Jim!